Are there any senses as to what has been accomplished by this interactions. A short evaluation.
Beta: Well, personally for me I find the most practical things that it does for me is it has given me ideas of how I can organise my work so I can actually relate it in a group context more easily. So I have two or three techniques that pop up in my mind.
Alpha: Yeah. And that is part of getting things across, isn’t it? It begins with getting things across to a group of this nature, which is comprised of people who have done their homework and more easily able to receive what is said. And then it may evolve into getting it across to those who are newer to the material.
Delta: Well I feel that we have had really good buddhic co-operation, with respect and fun with each other’s positions or points or view. Those are nice. And though I have been very interested in the more advanced part that Alpha and Beta brought out more, I was more interested in the rudimentary part because, in doing esoteric astrology the initial presentation of it is not, for most people, they are not going to have before them the problem of how can I become a Triadal Life! (laughter) … (inaudible) or ninth initiation ... so …
I’m not making fun of it, I mean it was really valuable and I liked those conversations, but I feel I have made a lot of progress on the more rudimentary levels of how this can be presented in terms of laya yoga and the transference of energy between the centres, what planets might rule the centres. And how it might initially be presentable along those lines, a more refined understanding of the initiations because, again, most people are not facing the fifth initiation, the sixth initiation. … it is more like being a Hobbit. I just want to take the next baby step forward, although I really enjoy a little cosmic part too.
Gamma: I’m taught to be very brief. I am very grateful to have been invited because, I have been studying the Tibetan only since 1991 so I have a lot of things to catch up on.
Beta: ... but it is impossible, actually.
Alpha: ....with forty years of spiritual studies ... otherwise.
Gamma: Well, yes ....you know. I am just very grateful and I feel that I have somehow penetrated more into the mind of the master mind of DK. I sense it is not so much what I have learned, but the penetration is different than before. And I sense that when I am going to read these texts again it will be very different. And I was very glad to do that in a group, which wouldn’t be possible otherwise.
Epsilon: I have to say I have been thankful to be able to penetrate into a way of approach and a way of unfolding group work which is not my speciality I’d say. In that sense I am thankful and mentally I felt very, kind of awakened and stimulated. May I say a wish? In addition to all that which I find extremely positive, I wish at times, at least my need is there be more conscious actualisation, invocation or evocation of what we are speaking about. … It seems to me at times we are so occupied manasically to clarify, understand, compare and so on, and it is all OK it is all part of it, however, I would like in addition to that that we keep consciously a part of ourselves sensitive to the life or the lives that we are speaking about, even if we cannot fathom them or contact them. Is there is a way of keeping one part of the consciousness with them. And it seems to be that at times we are so taken by the manasic aspect of clarification that we forget that ...
Alpha: Um-hmm. There is a difference between a conception and a contact.
Beta: You think if we spent, in addition to time summarising with each session what we had covered, but after the summary we had a brief five minute meditation, or something to assimilate it?
Epsilon: Maybe that could help, Beta, but I am speaking, I would likeconstantly that presence there while we elucidate mentally. One with the other, not a moment for this and then ...
Alpha: Part of the problem of course is that when you are talking about different entities and staying in touch with them the mind changes its focus so quickly that you may be on to different subjects rapidly. It involves coming into a whole new rapport. But, in general, you know, one can pursue this enquiry within the mind of master DK or in relation to certain of the Hierarchies, or under the ray of the Heavenly Man, within the one great school of occultism, so to speak, in Shamballa. You know under the imagined influence of Sanat Kumara and so forth. That should be fairly synthetic. And if we have the idea of preserving the milieu, being a sort of emanation of the one great school maybe we are automatically more in touch with the quality of the things we talk about. One of the reasons for maybe losing touch with the quality is because the mind changes so fast.
Epsilon: Maybe being in contact with a reality would focus the mind differently. It wouldn’t be so fast, it would maybe be more sensitive to some presence.
Delta: A more buddhic element I hear you suggesting ....in addition to the manasic we could have more buddhic energy present embodying these things.
Alpha: Yeah. I mean, obviously look, our emphasis was overtly manas from the first. That is right up front and manas without shame. At the same time we know we are shamelessly manasic. We know that we are not emphasising as much the other aspects, which are equally necessary and would probably deepen things as we go. I think by just putting ourselves in and staying within the mind of Master DK as a recollection, which we often times I am sure lose, but that in itself would be a guarantee.
Epsilon: Yeah. Because it is not that I want to take time away from manasic, or anything from the manasic focus ... but I want why we are doing it. Not, separating it ‘from’ or ‘in addition to’, but why. It is a question of holding and ...
Beta: Maybe we need someone to remind, ask us those questions, as they need to be asked. I feel when we manasically organised (that on the heart side) it appears as though there is nothing but manas taking place, but I sense in all of us as we are manasically engaged there is always a stepping back and breathing in ...
Epsilon: At times ... yeah.
Beta: Almost every stage ... yeah, people sort of drop out slightly and remain quiet and watch and it’s another aspect of that. When we are dealing with this materials and these beings I feel, in a way, we deal with it in our minds, a group of five minds converging on this material. The material itself helps direct us as much as much as our insight/intuition, etc. It by its own nature it directs us where we go next.
But I know in this aspect of assimilation of sentience, the coherence, I see what you are saying, maybe if the question were asked more periodically, ‘OK what is the significance of this?’ Then we could bring it into psychological and spiritual practicality. A bit more periodically than we do. Is that what you mean?
Epsilon: I am not sure it is what I exactly what I mean. It is not the significance or so it’s ...
Delta: ... a meditative awareness of what we are speaking about.
Gamma: ... the point of tension. You were talking about the specific point of tension which is not maybe held high enough, perhaps. I could say so.
Alpha: Well, there is a very strong point of tension for manasic realisation. … But there is a question of ‘presence’ ...
Epsilon: ... yeah. It a question of ‘presence’.
Alpha: And that is sort of a ‘first ray’ thing too. But that will come also. You know, too, as the map becomes clearer and as things fall into place and as the general structure clarifies, then the use of it, the inbreathing of it will become easier to accomplish. Right now we are sort of scrambling to see in a very obscure background, asking What is everything. It is like a totally new environment anyway.
Beta: In a way we are also getting to know each other manasically in a way that we haven’t had the chance. I mean, no one has the chance unless they spend three days together.
Alpha: No. But that is something I would like to say too. From my perspective I would like to make my commentary on all of this. I don’t really know what I am going to say about it except that I have for years been interested in bringing people together who operated at a high level of enquiry and with the will to penetrate into comprehension. And to be willing even to use books, but to dare to formulate new concepts based upon their own interactivity.
See, in a certain way, at certain times of epiphany you might say, we reached a kind of critical mass where we had break throughs into totally new insights because of the tremendous mental energy and mental point of tension that we were able to hold, at certain times. So, this for me, represents a whole new order of enquiry. I can sit there by myself with my computer and enquire greatly, and I have gotten together with people one on one, and we have enquired together and revealed together, but when you get together, let us say five (which in interestingly an important manasic and yet solar-manasic number … ) you have a chance of a whole new order in the realm of inclusive reason ... which is in the master mind of Master DK
Inclusive reason will mean that the detail of the sensed whole and the divine pattern is going to fall into place in a way that is not apprehensible under normal circumstances. And it is likein all of space there is no vacuum. And in all of knowing there is no interval. Everything is absolutely dense with omniscience. And I got some brief kind of intimation of what it would be like to live in that kind of density of omniscience, if penetration could continue.
Remember what DK said, all there is is light and light cannot be used. He said this in the Law of Repulse for the second ray, which is very interesting, you just end up knowing everything. And I began to realise that it is possible to achieve planetary omniscience by dedicated groups if they follow this line and they are suited to this line. So I guess that I am saying I ‘hoped’ to achieve a new order of enquiry, and I think movement toward that new order of enquiry has been established.
And I am remembering that a master is the rare efflorescence of a generation of inquirers, and I think we have learned to enquire together. Sure we have loose ends and misunderstanding and obtuse moments and brilliant moments and all of that, but something new has been established which I hope will be a tremendous luminous type of instrument if we can hold to it and take it further, in perhaps even more organised manner.
So I really want to thank you for all gathering under this short notice to try an experiment which is not so easy in this world to get off the ground. You know what it takes to get here and to work together in this way and you know how rare it is to get people that are really interested to this degree and experienced to this degree to do what we have been doing. Therefore something important has happened as a result. I have certainly learned a lot.
… [deleted some commentary about the taping process and CB’s anticipated transcribing horrors.] … Well we are probably going to learn quite a bit about speaking up. We are probably going to learn whether we are totally audible. I think she is going to have trouble with audibility at times. And she may have to leave out sections and put in blanks and all the rest of it because of audibility, but We are going to learn something by re-reading the document.
Delta: I think also in our own modest way we provided a service in that DK … to some degree the next phase of teaching is contingent on how well we can elucidate and give body and immediate presence to what has already been given.
Beta: I mean we have taken a little step forward here.
Alpha: See. And RG wisely always recommends the idea of extending the teaching. Now that is what we have been able to do to some extent. And with the help of each other to make connections that I honestly feel that none of us would totally make alone.
Delta: Yeah.
Alpha: Correcting each others points of view, you know what I mean, giving us each additional insights, giving us pause refining each other as we work together.
Gamma: Yeah.
Alpha: I have been very pleased with this. This is quite frankly just what I had hoped. Really. Exactly what I had hoped. And as you all know maybe I had unrealistically high hopes … I am hoping for the group (overall) to lift itself ...
Delta: Well I think if people have buddhic and respect for other people’s points of view and realise where they are gifted and where it would behoove them to be silent and listen, yeah that is a really key factor.
Alpha: Yes. And that all requires experience. Basically. Experience. So well that it the end, I think, for right now. But I would suggest that we close with a mantrum. Epsilon, would you lead us in that? And then we can discuss whether we will ever meet again.
Epsilon: Maybe, before we say the mantram we can take a few moments just to radiate the thankfulness of our heart and mind for the gift and the gifts of these three days together. Thankfulness to one another and thankfulness to the higher energies. And now we say the mantram.....
MAY THE POWER OF THE ONE LIFE POUR THROUGH THE GROUP OF ALL TRUE SERVERS.
MAY THE LOVE OF THE ONE SOUL CHARACTERISE THE LIVES OF ALL WHO SEEK TO AID THE GREAT ONES.
MAY WE FULFILL OUR PART IN THE ONE WORK THROUGH SELF FORGETFULNESS, HARMLESSNESS, AND RIGHT SPEECH.